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We Need a Linux Install Fest!
I appreciate your offer to help, Scott. It sounds like a wonderful idea.
I do wonder, however, if it would be possible to get a room in the SEL at the same time. Make it easier for people to install both at the same time if they desire.
Also, Scott,
Michael was not seriously berating Alek for his choice of OS, it was
only a friendly ribbing. No need to accuse him of a sense of elitism,
even if you are more fair and enlightened ;-)
-- Lingo
<yanovich [dot] 1 [at] buckeyemail [dot] osu [dot] edu> wrote:
> I think we should either have a Linux Install Fest on the same day as the
> Windows 7 Install Fest. We could either host this in our office, the
> computer lab in Caldwell or maybe we could try to rent a room somewhere near
> the Science and Engineering Library (the location where the Windows 7
> Install Fest is), and around the same time as the Windows 7 Install Fest
> too.
I can probably (help) reserve a room for you guys in Scott Labs, which
is right next to SEL.
> an "Open Source" operating system. At the moment he is currently using Mac
> Book Pro with only Mac OSX on it. :(
May I suggest that the Open Source club not adopt your sense of
elitism? In the Real World(tm), you'll be hard pressed to find any
organization that uses exclusively open source software from
end-to-end. A good computer user should use the best tool for the job.
Sometimes a closed solution is the best one for the job.
Moreover, open source software encompasses A LOT more than just
operating systems. I use Mac OSX on a MacBook Pro because it was
issued to me as part of my job. I use open source software atop the
closed source OS as much as possible; and I advocate open source
software when it's appropriate.
Cheers,
Scott
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
About Alek not having Linux, I really had no idea. I know he used (or
still uses, not sure) Windows 7, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have
Linux...
We really need to consider that one of the key things which sets us
apart from Microsoft (and friends) is that we are not anti-competitive.
The principles behind open source software are about freedom -- that you
can use any kind of software you feel is
appropriate/desirable/necessary. Open source is about freedom, and if we
are truly free then we have the option (ironically) to switch to a less
free operating system or other program. If we belittle or condemn use of
non-Linux operating systems, like what it appears we are doing to the
club president (now I should point out this would be different if he
were trying to promote or advocate Macs over Linux to the club),
then we are no different from Microsoft; or rather, some sort of
deviant, totalitarian cult. No hard feelings I'm sure, but let's not
lower ourselves to Microsoft's level.
On to the room request, I think it would be awesome (and actually funny)
if we had a room right next to where Microsoft's event is going on. If I
remember correctly (correct me if not) there are multiple adjacent
conference rooms in the basement of SEL, which is where SE070 is
located. We could even have a thing where right after installing Windows
7, you add a GRUB menu and install a second operating system right on
top of it.
For Microsoft fanboys (not me), this is in fact a holiday, by the way.
Short of Windows XP, Windows 7 is quite possibly the best operating
system ever to come from Redmond, WA.
A. J. Lingo wrote:
> I appreciate your offer to help, Scott. It sounds like a wonderful idea.
>
> I do wonder, however, if it would be possible to get a room in the SEL
> at the same time. Make it easier for people to install both at the
> same time if they desire.
>
> Also, Scott, Michael was not seriously berating Alek for his choice of
> OS, it was only a friendly ribbing. No need to accuse him of a sense
> of elitism, even if you are more fair and enlightened ;-)
>
> -- Lingo
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Scott Merrill > wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich
> > wrote:
> > I think we should either have a Linux Install Fest on the same
> day as the
> > Windows 7 Install Fest. We could either host this in our office, the
> > computer lab in Caldwell or maybe we could try to rent a room
> somewhere near
> > the Science and Engineering Library (the location where the
> Windows 7
> > Install Fest is), and around the same time as the Windows 7
> Install Fest
> > too.
>
> I can probably (help) reserve a room for you guys in Scott Labs, which
> is right next to SEL.
>
> > *Unfortunately our current President isn't setting a good
> example of using
> > an "Open Source" operating system. At the moment he is currently
> using Mac
> > Book Pro with only Mac OSX on it. :(
>
> May I suggest that the Open Source club not adopt your sense of
> elitism? In the Real World(tm), you'll be hard pressed to find any
> organization that uses exclusively open source software from
> end-to-end. A good computer user should use the best tool for the job.
> Sometimes a closed solution is the best one for the job.
>
> Moreover, open source software encompasses A LOT more than just
> operating systems. I use Mac OSX on a MacBook Pro because it was
> issued to me as part of my job. I use open source software atop the
> closed source OS as much as possible; and I advocate open source
> software when it's appropriate.
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
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We Need a Linux Install Fest!
I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I
think getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the
Microsoft room would be a great idea and a great way to spread the
word. Also Brian Swaney suggested that we could advertise or mention
that we could keep their Windows installation alone and install Linux
side by side and let the user have the option via the Grub bootloader.
I think the most important thing we need to do at the moment is start
talking with people here at the University on getting a room.
Also I think we should get some type of flyer or way to atrack people's
attention, personally I was thinking of getting a poster of the Linux
penguin. Any ideas on this?
-- Michael S. Yanovich yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] eduOn 10/28/2009 02:03 PM, Brian Swaney wrote:
About
Alek not having Linux, I really had no idea. I know he used (or still
uses, not sure) Windows 7, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have
Linux...
We really need to consider that one of the key things which sets us
apart from Microsoft (and friends) is that we are not anti-competitive.
The principles behind open source software are about freedom -- that
you can use any kind of software you feel is
appropriate/desirable/necessary. Open source is about freedom, and if
we are truly free then we have the option (ironically) to switch to a
less free operating system or other program. If we belittle or condemn
use of non-Linux operating systems, like what it appears we are doing
to the club president (now I should point out this would be different
if he were trying to /promote/ or /advocate/ Macs over Linux to the
club), then we are no different from Microsoft; or rather, some sort of
deviant, totalitarian cult. No hard feelings I'm sure, but let's not
lower ourselves to Microsoft's level.
On to the room request, I think it would be awesome (and actually
funny) if we had a room right next to where Microsoft's event is going
on. If I remember correctly (correct me if not) there are multiple
adjacent conference rooms in the basement of SEL, which is where SE070
is located. We could even have a thing where right after installing
Windows 7, you add a GRUB menu and install a second operating system
right on top of it.
For Microsoft fanboys (not me), this is in fact a holiday, by the way.
Short of Windows XP, Windows 7 is quite possibly the best operating
system ever to come from Redmond, WA.
A. J. Lingo wrote:
I appreciate your offer to help, Scott. It
sounds like a wonderful idea.
I do wonder, however, if it would be possible to get a room in the SEL
at the same time. Make it easier for people to install both at the same
time if they desire.
Also, Scott, Michael was not seriously berating Alek for his choice of
OS, it was only a friendly ribbing. No need to accuse him of a sense of
elitism, even if you are more fair and enlightened ;-)
-- Lingo
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Scott Merrill <skippy [at] skippy [dot] net
skippy [at] skippy [dot] net (<mailto:skippy [at] skippy [dot] net>)> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich
<yanovich [dot] 1 [at] buckeyemail [dot] osu [dot] edu
yanovich [dot] 1 [at] buckeyemail [dot] osu [dot] edu (<mailto:yanovich [dot] 1 [at] buckeyemail [dot] osu [dot] edu>)> wrote:
> I think we should either have a Linux Install Fest on the same
day as the
> Windows 7 Install Fest. We could either host this in our
office, the
> computer lab in Caldwell or maybe we could try to rent a room
somewhere near
> the Science and Engineering Library (the location where the
Windows 7
> Install Fest is), and around the same time as the Windows 7
Install Fest
> too.
I can probably (help) reserve a room for you guys in Scott Labs,
which
is right next to SEL.
> *Unfortunately our current President isn't setting a good
example of using
> an "Open Source" operating system. At the moment he is
currently
using Mac
> Book Pro with only Mac OSX on it. :(
May I suggest that the Open Source club not adopt your sense of
elitism? In the Real World(tm), you'll be hard pressed to find any
organization that uses exclusively open source software from
end-to-end. A good computer user should use the best tool for the
job.
Sometimes a closed solution is the best one for the job.
Moreover, open source software encompasses A LOT more than just
operating systems. I use Mac OSX on a MacBook Pro because it was
issued to me as part of my job. I use open source software atop the
closed source OS as much as possible; and I advocate open source
software when it's appropriate.
Cheers,
Scott
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We Need a Linux Install Fest!
> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think
> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room
> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney
> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user
> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will
hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
don't want any
cries of "You broke my computer!!"
--
Paul Betts
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
(Oops, hit enter too fast)
I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got Win7, add
Ubuntu as well and have both!"
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think
>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room
>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney
>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user
>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>
> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will
> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
> don't want any
> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>
> --
> Paul Betts
>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise and
ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which versions
Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am pretty sure
they won't be giving away there most expensive version to students.
However, I do agree that we should check with students to see if they
have it on their hard drive. Does anyone know of a way on a Vista or 7
installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in use?
Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that
you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!"
I do think we should have several distributions available for users to
choose from. I was thinking this could be a start:
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora?
This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the date
approaches.
--
Michael S. Yanovich
yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu
On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
> (Oops, hit enter too fast)
>
> I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got Win7, add
> Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>
>>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think
>>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room
>>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney
>>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
>>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user
>>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>>>
>> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will
>> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
>> don't want any
>> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>>
>> --
>> Paul Betts
>>
>>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
> Does anyone know of a way on a Vista or 7 installation of how to
> check if Bitlocker is in use?
Ah, this is easy - the system drive (i.e. usually C:) will have a Lock
icon in Explorer
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich
wrote:
> Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise and
> ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which versions
> Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am pretty sure they
> won't be giving away there most expensive version to students. However, I do
> agree that we should check with students to see if they have it on their
> hard drive. Does anyone know of a way on a Vista or 7 installation of how to
> check if Bitlocker is in use?
>
> Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that you've
> got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>
> I do think we should have several distributions available for users to
> choose from. I was thinking this could be a start:
>
> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora?
>
> This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the date
> approaches.
>
> --
> Michael S. Yanovich
> yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu
>
>
> On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>>
>> (Oops, hit enter too fast)
>>
>> I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got Win7,
>> add
>> Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I
>>>> think
>>>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft
>>>> room
>>>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian
>>>> Swaney
>>>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
>>>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the
>>>> user
>>>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled,
>>> it will
>>> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
>>> don't want any
>>> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Betts
>>>
>>>
>
>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
"Give out CDs with OpenOffice, GIMP, Inkscape, various games (ioquake3,
etc), Pidgin, etc etc etc.
"
I really like the idea of brining people in on the Free software (free
as in free beer) and then once we get their attention keep them around
and tell them about the free software (as in freedom). I don't think
this would be very hard, and since this is really late notice I don't
think we have time to worry about labels for CDs, I say we just throw
together a bunch of opensource programs and put them on a CD and then
burn about 20 or so. As far as the distributions go I think we could
have 2 copies of each distribution we could like to provide and that
way we could have at most two people installing a particular operating
system. We might want a few more of Ubuntu since it might be
more popular.
Thank you for the input Paul! We will definitely keep an eye out for
the lock icon!
-- Michael S. Yanovich yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] eduOn 10/28/2009 09:57 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
Does anyone know of a way on a Vista or 7 installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in use?Ah, this is easy - the system drive (i.e. usually C:) will have a Lock icon in Explorer On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich yanovich [dot] 1 [at] buckeyemail [dot] osu [dot] edu (<yanovich [dot] 1 [at] buckeyemail [dot] osu [dot] edu>) wrote:Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise and ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which versions Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am pretty sure they won't be giving away there most expensive version to students. However, I do agree that we should check with students to see if they have it on their hard drive. Does anyone know of a way on a Vista or 7 installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in use? Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!" I do think we should have several distributions available for users to choose from. I was thinking this could be a start: Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora? This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the date approaches. -- Michael S. Yanovich yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:(Oops, hit enter too fast) I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!" On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Bettspaul [at] paulbetts [dot] org (<paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org>) wrote:I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user have the option via the Grub bootloader.Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really* don't want any cries of "You broke my computer!!" -- Paul Bettspaul [at] paulbetts [dot] org (<paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org>)We Need a Linux Install Fest!
Back in the day, we had a club event during the XP (was it XP? Circa
2001 or so) release day. We set up a table in one of the engineering
buildings I think (I don't remember the name, but it was pretty open
and had decent foot traffic), and had free CD's to hand out.
Rather than go to some closed room some distance away from the MS
event, why not set up right outside it handing out free CD's of Free
software like OpenOffice or your distro of choice? Then point people
to the "Open Source Install Fest". Coffee and snacks would help too :)
I like the idea of handing out OpenOffice, because it presents people
with a lightweight choice that they might not know existed. Gimp might
be a good one too, I know how widespread copyright violations of
photoshop is/was. Has anyone played with a MythTV distro? That could
be fun too.
-ross
On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich wrote:
> Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise
> and ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which
> versions Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am
> pretty sure they won't be giving away there most expensive version
> to students. However, I do agree that we should check with students
> to see if they have it on their hard drive. Does anyone know of a
> way on a Vista or 7 installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in
> use?
>
> Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that
> you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>
> I do think we should have several distributions available for users
> to choose from. I was thinking this could be a start:
>
> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora?
>
> This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the
> date approaches.
>
> --
> Michael S. Yanovich
> yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu
>
>
> On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>> (Oops, hit enter too fast)
>>
>> I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got
>> Win7, add
>> Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to
>>>> people. I think
>>>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the
>>>> Microsoft room
>>>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also
>>>> Brian Swaney
>>>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep
>>>> their
>>>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let
>>>> the user
>>>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>>>>
>>> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker
>>> enabled, it will
>>> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
>>> don't want any
>>> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Betts
>>>
>>>
>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
There was a concern that it would look "shady" if random people were
handing out CDs right next to the Microsoft event. For those who aren't
familiar with the area, this is in the basement of the Science and
Engineering Library, which has a few rooms (one of which will contain
this Windows 7 event) and a bunch of tables for group studying. If we
can't reserve another room, which is quite likely, then that would just
leave us being random people distributing CDs in the basement.
As a side note, as nice as OpenOffice.org is, I would NOT call it
lightweight, as I compiled it last night and it took over 3 hours.
Ross Litscher wrote:
> Back in the day, we had a club event during the XP (was it XP? Circa
> 2001 or so) release day. We set up a table in one of the engineering
> buildings I think (I don't remember the name, but it was pretty open
> and had decent foot traffic), and had free CD's to hand out.
>
> Rather than go to some closed room some distance away from the MS
> event, why not set up right outside it handing out free CD's of Free
> software like OpenOffice or your distro of choice? Then point people
> to the "Open Source Install Fest". Coffee and snacks would help too :)
>
> I like the idea of handing out OpenOffice, because it presents people
> with a lightweight choice that they might not know existed. Gimp might
> be a good one too, I know how widespread copyright violations of
> photoshop is/was. Has anyone played with a MythTV distro? That could
> be fun too.
>
> -ross
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich wrote:
>
>> Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise
>> and ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which
>> versions Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am
>> pretty sure they won't be giving away there most expensive version to
>> students. However, I do agree that we should check with students to
>> see if they have it on their hard drive. Does anyone know of a way on
>> a Vista or 7 installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in use?
>>
>> Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that
>> you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>>
>> I do think we should have several distributions available for users
>> to choose from. I was thinking this could be a start:
>>
>> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora?
>>
>> This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the
>> date approaches.
>>
>> --
>> Michael S. Yanovich
>> yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu
>>
>>
>> On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>>> (Oops, hit enter too fast)
>>>
>>> I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got
>>> Win7, add
>>> Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to
>>>>> people. I think
>>>>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the
>>>>> Microsoft room
>>>>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also
>>>>> Brian Swaney
>>>>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
>>>>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let
>>>>> the user
>>>>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>>>>>
>>>> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker
>>>> enabled, it will
>>>> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
>>>> don't want any
>>>> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul Betts
>>>>
>>>>
>>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
I think the target audience here will understand what's going on:
you're student members of a student organization, giving out CDs along
with information about your student organization to other students on
campus.
Print up a couple signs with your organization name, URL, and next
meeting date/time/location. Tape these to the desk or the table behind
you. Maybe have a legal pad on which interested students can provide
their email address, which can then be signed up for this mailing
list.
Cheers,
Scott
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Matt Meinwald wrote:
> There was a concern that it would look "shady" if random people were
> handing out CDs right next to the Microsoft event. For those who aren't
> familiar with the area, this is in the basement of the Science and
> Engineering Library, which has a few rooms (one of which will contain
> this Windows 7 event) and a bunch of tables for group studying. If we
> can't reserve another room, which is quite likely, then that would just
> leave us being random people distributing CDs in the basement.
>
> As a side note, as nice as OpenOffice.org is, I would NOT call it
> lightweight, as I compiled it last night and it took over 3 hours.
>
> Ross Litscher wrote:
>> Back in the day, we had a club event during the XP (was it XP? Circa
>> 2001 or so) release day. We set up a table in one of the engineering
>> buildings I think (I don't remember the name, but it was pretty open
>> and had decent foot traffic), and had free CD's to hand out.
>>
>> Rather than go to some closed room some distance away from the MS
>> event, why not set up right outside it handing out free CD's of Free
>> software like OpenOffice or your distro of choice? Then point people
>> to the "Open Source Install Fest". Coffee and snacks would help too :)
>>
>> I like the idea of handing out OpenOffice, because it presents people
>> with a lightweight choice that they might not know existed. Gimp might
>> be a good one too, I know how widespread copyright violations of
>> photoshop is/was. Has anyone played with a MythTV distro? That could
>> be fun too.
>>
>> -ross
>>
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise
>>> and ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which
>>> versions Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am
>>> pretty sure they won't be giving away there most expensive version to
>>> students. However, I do agree that we should check with students to
>>> see if they have it on their hard drive. Does anyone know of a way on
>>> a Vista or 7 installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in use?
>>>
>>> Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that
>>> you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>>>
>>> I do think we should have several distributions available for users
>>> to choose from. I was thinking this could be a start:
>>>
>>> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora?
>>>
>>> This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the
>>> date approaches.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael S. Yanovich
>>> yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>>>> (Oops, hit enter too fast)
>>>>
>>>> I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got
>>>> Win7, add
>>>> Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to
>>>>>> people. I think
>>>>>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the
>>>>>> Microsoft room
>>>>>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also
>>>>>> Brian Swaney
>>>>>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
>>>>>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let
>>>>>> the user
>>>>>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker
>>>>> enabled, it will
>>>>> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
>>>>> don't want any
>>>>> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Paul Betts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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We Need a Linux Install Fest!
A few things I would like to point out about us upgrading or adding
Linux to their desktop is Microsoft is going to have this same problem
too, if someone walks in and they need to do a fresh install of 7 on to
their laptop for whatever they are going to have a a fresh install.
What I am wondering is, if many students are aware that they should
come to the Microsoft Install Fest with a back up of their important
files before hand because Microsoft can't guarantee more than we can
that their files will be fine through the installation/upgrading.
Brian I understand your concern about Fedora however, besides the
person you have talked to regarding it's stability (which you admitted
you don't know what version they are using) could be an older version,
plus Fedora 12 is coming out within the next month. Also *like I said*
we should recommend it to the people who are more tech savy or computer
savy not to the complete new person that is completely new to computers
in general.
As far as passing out CDs I think this would be a great idea, but if we
are going to do this while just standing outside and around the
Microsoft Table we should probably get professional discs, which *like
I said* before is probably not with in our time table considering we
only have one week to get this working. Personally I don't see a
problem with us just taking over a studying table and using one of
those right outside the Microsoft Install Fest.
Also I am not sure about this but does anyone know how much Microsoft
will be charging for them to install Win7? I am pretty sure for CSE and
CIS majors can get it for free or really cheap.
On 10/29/2009 01:04 PM, Matt Meinwald wrote:
Back in the day, we had a club event during the XP (was it XP? Circa 2001 or so) release day. We set up a table in one of the engineering buildings I think (I don't remember the name, but it was pretty open and had decent foot traffic), and had free CD's to hand out. Rather than go to some closed room some distance away from the MS event, why not set up right outside it handing out free CD's of Free software like OpenOffice or your distro of choice? Then point people to the "Open Source Install Fest". Coffee and snacks would help too :) I like the idea of handing out OpenOffice, because it presents people with a lightweight choice that they might not know existed. Gimp might be a good one too, I know how widespread copyright violations of photoshop is/was. Has anyone played with a MythTV distro? That could be fun too. -ross On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich wrote:Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise and ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which versions Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am pretty sure they won't be giving away there most expensive version to students. However, I do agree that we should check with students to see if they have it on their hard drive. Does anyone know of a way on a Vista or 7 installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in use? Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!" I do think we should have several distributions available for users to choose from. I was thinking this could be a start: Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora? This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the date approaches. -- Michael S. Yanovich yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:(Oops, hit enter too fast) I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!" On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Bettspaul [at] paulbetts [dot] org (<paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org>) wrote:I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user have the option via the Grub bootloader.Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really* don't want any cries of "You broke my computer!!" -- Paul Bettspaul [at] paulbetts [dot] org (<paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org>)We Need a Linux Install Fest!
> What I am wondering
> is, if many students are aware that they should come to the Microsoft
> Install Fest with a back up of their important files before hand because
> Microsoft can't guarantee more than we can that their files will be fine
> through the installation/upgrading.
Actually, Windows doesn't format the disk when you do a clean install,
it stuffs everything into a folder called windows.old. While it means
your settings are lost, all of your files are still there. I'm not
sure why people still believe that clean install = disk wipe, even in
XP we wouldn't blow away people's files. The only time that happens is
if you use one of those janky OEM "restore discs", where they're too
lazy and just image the drive.
--
Paul Betts
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Michael S. Yanovich
wrote:
> A few things I would like to point out about us upgrading or adding Linux to
> their desktop is Microsoft is going to have this same problem too, if
> someone walks in and they need to do a fresh install of 7 on to their laptop
> for whatever they are going to have a a fresh install. What I am wondering
> is, if many students are aware that they should come to the Microsoft
> Install Fest with a back up of their important files before hand because
> Microsoft can't guarantee more than we can that their files will be fine
> through the installation/upgrading.
>
> Brian I understand your concern about Fedora however, besides the person you
> have talked to regarding it's stability (which you admitted you don't know
> what version they are using) could be an older version, plus Fedora 12 is
> coming out within the next month. Also *like I said* we should recommend it
> to the people who are more tech savy or computer savy not to the complete
> new person that is completely new to computers in general.
>
> As far as passing out CDs I think this would be a great idea, but if we are
> going to do this while just standing outside and around the Microsoft Table
> we should probably get professional discs, which *like I said* before is
> probably not with in our time table considering we only have one week to get
> this working. Personally I don't see a problem with us just taking over a
> studying table and using one of those right outside the Microsoft Install
> Fest.
>
> Also I am not sure about this but does anyone know how much Microsoft will
> be charging for them to install Win7? I am pretty sure for CSE and CIS
> majors can get it for free or really cheap.
>
> On 10/29/2009 01:04 PM, Matt Meinwald wrote:
>
> There was a concern that it would look "shady" if random people were
> handing out CDs right next to the Microsoft event. For those who aren't
> familiar with the area, this is in the basement of the Science and
> Engineering Library, which has a few rooms (one of which will contain
> this Windows 7 event) and a bunch of tables for group studying. If we
> can't reserve another room, which is quite likely, then that would just
> leave us being random people distributing CDs in the basement.
>
> As a side note, as nice as OpenOffice.org is, I would NOT call it
> lightweight, as I compiled it last night and it took over 3 hours.
>
> Ross Litscher wrote:
>
>
> Back in the day, we had a club event during the XP (was it XP? Circa
> 2001 or so) release day. We set up a table in one of the engineering
> buildings I think (I don't remember the name, but it was pretty open
> and had decent foot traffic), and had free CD's to hand out.
>
> Rather than go to some closed room some distance away from the MS
> event, why not set up right outside it handing out free CD's of Free
> software like OpenOffice or your distro of choice? Then point people
> to the "Open Source Install Fest". Coffee and snacks would help too :)
>
> I like the idea of handing out OpenOffice, because it presents people
> with a lightweight choice that they might not know existed. Gimp might
> be a good one too, I know how widespread copyright violations of
> photoshop is/was. Has anyone played with a MythTV distro? That could
> be fun too.
>
> -ross
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Michael S. Yanovich wrote:
>
>
>
> Paul, it looks like that Bitlocker is only available on enterprise
> and ultimate editions of Vista and Windows 7. I am not sure which
> versions Microsoft will be installing at this Install Fest but I am
> pretty sure they won't be giving away there most expensive version to
> students. However, I do agree that we should check with students to
> see if they have it on their hard drive. Does anyone know of a way on
> a Vista or 7 installation of how to check if Bitlocker is in use?
>
> Also must agree with Paul again I do like Swaney's idea of "Now that
> you've got Win7, add Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>
> I do think we should have several distributions available for users
> to choose from. I was thinking this could be a start:
>
> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Linux-Mint, maybe Fedora?
>
> This doesn't have to be the "de-facto" list this can change as the
> date approaches.
>
> --
> Michael S. Yanovich
> yanovich [dot] 1 [at] osu [dot] edu
>
>
> On 10/28/2009 09:10 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>
>
> (Oops, hit enter too fast)
>
> I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got
> Win7, add
> Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>
>
>
> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to
> people. I think
> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the
> Microsoft room
> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also
> Brian Swaney
> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let
> the user
> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>
>
>
> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker
> enabled, it will
> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
> don't want any
> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>
> --
> Paul Betts
>
>
>
>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
Linux installers generally don't wipe the disk either. I think he meant
that there is no warranty covering lost files if something gets messed
up. I'm pretty sure if someone lost thousands of dollars worth of files
installing Windows 7, they would not have standing to sue for those
damages, which is the same situation as Linux installers.
Paul Betts wrote:
>> What I am wondering
>> is, if many students are aware that they should come to the Microsoft
>> Install Fest with a back up of their important files before hand because
>> Microsoft can't guarantee more than we can that their files will be fine
>> through the installation/upgrading.
>>
>
> Actually, Windows doesn't format the disk when you do a clean install,
> it stuffs everything into a folder called windows.old. While it means
> your settings are lost, all of your files are still there. I'm not
> sure why people still believe that clean install = disk wipe, even in
> XP we wouldn't blow away people's files. The only time that happens is
> if you use one of those janky OEM "restore discs", where they're too
> lazy and just image the drive.
>
>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
As a side note, as nice as OpenOffice.org is, I would NOT call it
lightweight, as I compiled it last night and it took over 3 hours.
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
Thanks, Paul. Yeah, I was perhaps a bit too hasty with the suggestion,
but we really do need to make sure things are working and people can get
all their files before we proceed anyway, just because we're modifying
their partition tables. Bitlocker or not, we don't want to screw up
people's filesystems, especially during classes when they likely have
papers/projects/homework/notes that aren't backed up.
Yanovich: Don't give them Fedora (stability); CentOS instead maybe, but
I personally recommend Ubuntu since it's meant to meet the standards of
a network admin, but again for said admin's grandmother (which is sort
of who Microsoft is aiming their advertisements to). In regards to CD
labels, we already have our own club branded CDs, remember?
Scott (and Paul): You can actually install Ubuntu from within Windows
(removable by Add/Remove Programs) using the Wubi gadget in the LiveCD,
so that could be an interesting way to go. Not sure how Bitlocker play
along with the Windows bootloader modifications made by Wubi. As for
other software, I am proficient in both OpenOffice (far more than the
Microsoft version) and GIMP (far more than Photoshop), so I can demo it
a little.
Just out of curiosity, what do you all think would happen if this whole
data loss thing happened while they were installing (upgrading) Windows?
-Brian Swaney
Paul Betts wrote:
> (Oops, hit enter too fast)
>
> I really like that pitch that Brian suggests - "Now that you've got Win7, add
> Ubuntu as well and have both!"
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>
>>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think
>>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room
>>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney
>>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
>>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user
>>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>>>
>> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will
>> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
>> don't want any
>> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>>
>> --
>> Paul Betts
>>
>>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
I would suggest a broader message: one that has immediate appeal to
everyone: "get some free software for your Windows system!"
Give out CDs with OpenOffice, GIMP, Inkscape, various games (ioquake3,
etc), Pidgin, etc etc etc.
If we focus on Linux, we won't draw as much of a crowd. Free (as in
beer!) software is easy to explain, and provides immediate value to
the recipient. We can then take a moment to explain free-as-in-
freedom, and invite people to attend an open source club meeting.
Cheers,
Scott
On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Paul Betts wrote:
>> I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to
>> people. I think
>> getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the
>> Microsoft room
>> would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also
>> Brian Swaney
>> suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
>> Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let
>> the user
>> have the option via the Grub bootloader.
>
> Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker
> enabled, it will
> hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
> don't want any
> cries of "You broke my computer!!"
>
> --
> Paul Betts
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
Scott, I like your idea. We need to walk before we run. Almost everyone will know what firefox is... and given that Windows 7 won't come with any office programs it might be a good time to promote open office... then we can mention other things like Linux while we have peoples attention.
--Aaron Joseph
I would suggest a broader message: one that has immediate appeal to everyone: "get some free software for your Windows system!"
Give out CDs with OpenOffice, GIMP, Inkscape, various games (ioquake3, etc), Pidgin, etc etc etc.
If we focus on Linux, we won't draw as much of a crowd. Free (as in beer!) software is easy to explain, and provides immediate value to the recipient. We can then take a moment to explain free-as-in-freedom, and invite people to attend an open source club meeting.
Cheers,
Scott
On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Paul Betts <paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org> wrote:
I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think
getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room
would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney
suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user
have the option via the Grub bootloader.
Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will
hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
don't want any
cries of "You broke my computer!!"
--
Paul Betts <paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
I really like the idea of promoting free-as-in-beer software applications for Windows, alongside Linux.
The OpenDisc would be a good candidate. We shouldn't take a hostile position against the MS stuff, we should be there alongside, in a sense.
As I believe someone said before, "Now that you have Windows 7, please enjoy some free software!"
-- Lingo
Scott, I like your idea. We need to walk before we run. Almost everyone will know what firefox is... and given that Windows 7 won't come with any office programs it might be a good time to promote open office... then we can mention other things like Linux while we have peoples attention.
--Aaron Joseph
I would suggest a broader message: one that has immediate appeal to everyone: "get some free software for your Windows system!"
Give out CDs with OpenOffice, GIMP, Inkscape, various games (ioquake3, etc), Pidgin, etc etc etc.
If we focus on Linux, we won't draw as much of a crowd. Free (as in beer!) software is easy to explain, and provides immediate value to the recipient. We can then take a moment to explain free-as-in-freedom, and invite people to attend an open source club meeting.
Cheers,
Scott
On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Paul Betts <paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org> wrote:
I do think this is possible we just need to start talking to people. I think
getting a room in the basement of the SEL right next to the Microsoft room
would be a great idea and a great way to spread the word. Also Brian Swaney
suggested that we could advertise or mention that we could keep their
Windows installation alone and install Linux side by side and let the user
have the option via the Grub bootloader.
Make sure that you don't install Linux on people with Bitlocker enabled, it will
hose their bootloader - most people won't have it, but you *really*
don't want any
cries of "You broke my computer!!"
--
Paul Betts <paul [at] paulbetts [dot] org>
We Need a Linux Install Fest!
Maybe also throw in a hacked CoLinux to run the Kubuntu partition while
Windoze is still up.
I say "hacked" because I run andLinux with a 'chroot' of my own design
which is too klunky for mass deployment. Never yet bothered to figure out
the parms for successful direct launch of Linux from its partition(s) via
CoLinux, but one CAN access them. (as the 'chroot' proves) And andLinux
packaging throws in Xming along with some nice access to Linux from the
running Win desktop.
-- r;